Windows 10 ARM devices with fullblown Windows 10 are coming soon.
https://mspoweruser.com/windows-10-arm-devices-expected-unbelievable-battery-life/
https://mspoweruser.com/windows-10-arm-devices-expected-unbelievable-battery-life/
Windows 10 ARM devices with fullblown Windows 10 are coming soon.
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6th time’s the charm?
Chromebook-copycat?
Patrik Söderström Since it doesn’t run Chrome, not really. It may be positioned to compete in the Chromebook price ranges, but it is still purely a Windows device.
Yes, what i meant was that microsoft is seeing that chromebooks are gaining momentum and wants in on that area as well.
Like the windows10S devices that they want to target against schools and education.
#WINCE
They might need a bigger ditch (where all the last ones ended up – nope – no donations to the underprivileged). On the other hand, they did update my two ARM based Surface RT tablets just last night. Personally, I am happy they are not Win 10, and FWIW, they do work great (I test “not fun to write” code on them). I know two kids that went through college using them. Very cheap on eBay last time I looked.
Joe C. Hecht – These devices are not Windows Workstations for sure. The difference between the old RT tablets and the new ARM based Windows 10 machines – is that they run native x86 apps too, using the a similar kind of WoW emulation that Win64 uses to run Win32.
Lars Fosdal most of my ARM boards can run Windows apps. Its fairly impressive (especially on the high end boards with lots of ram), given there is no hardware to help.
Joe C. Hecht AFAIK, non-Windows 10 ARM can’t run native x86 Win32 apps? I.e. the emulation bit is not present on Windows RT?
Lars Fosdal do I plug my ARM board community, where we occasionally feature some of the things done on emulators, or plug the company link postings we delete daily? Eltechs is good, and here is my plug:
http://plus.google.com/communities/113362840759345424598
Lars Fosdal here is one (not free) and there free ways as well.
https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/
Joe C. Hecht What Windows version do you run on the Eltech?
Ah – now I see. The Exagear is an emulator that emulates x86 for the entire OS you install. That differs from the Windows 10 for ARM, where the OS actually is running natively on ARM64.
I did notice how lightweight Win10 was on a ‘cloudbook’ I had. It seemed less like a desktop OS, which is bad IMHO
Lars Fosdal ask them. I own some copies and have tried it, but not recently. Its not a seemles process (PITA), but it does work. IIRC (did I disclaim it has been awhile), your gonna WINE your way in. But I was impressed, and, IIRC I threw it a Delphi application as well.
People get all sorts of apps going with it (Skype, games, office!).
I have tried it on a RasPi, ODROID C2 and XU4, and (oh my) a Jetson TX-1 with 4gb ram and it was fast.
(plug I got a brand new TX-1 in a sealed box I want to sell cheap).
Philip Rowney What kind of cloudbook? An old ATOM one? Those are s..l..o..w.
The new Windows 10 on ARM devices are not here yet, so it is a bit early too pass judgement on performance.
Lars Fosdal Acer One ’11’ Intel Celery N3050 CPU.
Now has Ubuntu on it ;0)
Philip Rowney That’s a 1.6Ghz dual core, I guess.
Versus doesn’t know the N3050 – but here is an N3350 compared to an octa core ARM.
versus.com – Intel Celeron N3350 vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 | CPU comparison
I suspect it will be quite a bit faster.
Philip Rowney I have been flashing quite a few android devices with UBPorts (the new forked Ubuntu Touch). After getting Lazarus installed, I am starting to acually like it. Its a bit of an adjustment, but getting a Delphi like IDE on a phone or tablet, and plugging it into a monitor and keyboard, and writing an app… that’s cool. I hear mussings that KDE Plasma Mobile is not dead either. I have hopes. One app is pretty fair sized too. A PDF viewer and editor from 100% source. The UI is still a bit goofy, but its getting there
Wow only 884 on the passmark, my 6 year old HP desktop gets 1200+
cpubenchmark.net – PassMark – Intel Celeron N3050 @ 1.60GHz – Price performance comparison
This article has some numbers on Gfx performance.
pcgamer.com – Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 835 prepares for battle with Intel and AMD on PC
I have severe doubts that these devices will be powerful and have long battery life at the same time. ARM is no silver bullet. Especially if they run native X86 programs in emulation.
But hey, I’ve been known to be wrong before.
They will be far less powerful than a “proper” laptop, but as a surfboard it will be as powerful as a high end phone, which is pretty decent these days.