Lars Fosdal We’re all consumers of petroleum products, either it’s driving a car, taking the bus or having services provided by others who use petroleum. Does this means we’re not allow to protest against oil companies? Is it the people, the kayakers, that are the bad ones, should they have stayed away and never held this protest?
This is how the oil companies turning the responsibility away from themselves and blame the people.
Look at the picture, the kayakers are the real problem? Seriously?
Oh bullshit to this sentiment. You don’t know what the protest was about. Making kayaks is a far less damaging use of petrochemicals than burning shitloads of it as fuel.
transport fuel accounts for more than 95% of all fossil fuel extraction – the remaining <5% makes up all plastics, pharmaceuticals and road tar….
If we stop burning fossil fuels we have plenty of material to make plastics. But that doesn't actually matter because we are highly likely to still need transport fuel for a significant number of use cases. You might think this means we can't stop all fossil fuel burning but once the price of electricity generation drops enough we can make clean pure hydrocarbons from air… this is old technology circa 1850's.
I for one look forward to our ultra-clean feed stock renewable future…
Do I need to remind you of the collection that this post was put in? That the source of the image is 9gag? That life is not always to be taken seriously? Come on, people!
Terje L. Reiersen It is still hypocritical to protest someone for getting the substance that you use. I think what they could protest is perhaps how they acquire the oil such as unsafe extraction processes or slave labour but to simply protest against oil production is naive.
Elisabeth Schabus I am sure that former residents of Chernobyl and Fukushima would wholeheartedly agree with you how clean and good nuclear energy is for us…
Dalija Prasnikar that’s irrelevant given a) the power problem at hand and b) the total number of reactors working smoothly. Or did you stop booking flights because of that Germanwings accident? Look at Germany. Turning off nuclear plants has lead to reopening coal plants. How is that good?
Elisabeth Schabus Point is that nuclear energy (fission) is off the table. It is not the part of the solution and never will be. I am not saying that we should shut down all nuclear plants right now, but we should stop building new ones, and should concentrate on other energy sources.
When you are trying to solve one problem (CO2) you should concentrate on solutions that do not have potential to create other serious ones.
I don’t know how far is nearest nuclear plant from the place you live, but I live 25 km from one. While I don’t expect any problems during its lifetime, if something would happen there I would be homeless along with at least 1 million people. And that is about quarter of my country’s population.
Are you willing to let us all camp in your back yard?
Ach! The most fervent eco in our Druid’s order wears plastic socks and drives an SUV …
You know what is CO2 neutral? Nuclear power. Why not put the same effort in that remarkable tech?
Lars Fosdal We’re all consumers of petroleum products, either it’s driving a car, taking the bus or having services provided by others who use petroleum. Does this means we’re not allow to protest against oil companies? Is it the people, the kayakers, that are the bad ones, should they have stayed away and never held this protest?
This is how the oil companies turning the responsibility away from themselves and blame the people.
Look at the picture, the kayakers are the real problem? Seriously?
Terje L. Reiersen imho yes … because
stupidinconsistent or not very thoughtful … aka IRONICOh bullshit to this sentiment. You don’t know what the protest was about. Making kayaks is a far less damaging use of petrochemicals than burning shitloads of it as fuel.
transport fuel accounts for more than 95% of all fossil fuel extraction – the remaining <5% makes up all plastics, pharmaceuticals and road tar….
If we stop burning fossil fuels we have plenty of material to make plastics. But that doesn't actually matter because we are highly likely to still need transport fuel for a significant number of use cases. You might think this means we can't stop all fossil fuel burning but once the price of electricity generation drops enough we can make clean pure hydrocarbons from air… this is old technology circa 1850's.
I for one look forward to our ultra-clean feed stock renewable future…
supply and demand. if no one would demand oil, they wouldn’t be drilling after oil.
Do I need to remind you of the collection that this post was put in? That the source of the image is 9gag? That life is not always to be taken seriously? Come on, people!
Lars Fosdal where it was put or what the source was doesn’t change the message 😁
Lars Fosdal seems nobody has a sense of humor, eh? For what it’s worth I lol’d and didn’t think too much into it. 😉
I thought they were protesting drilling in the Arctic, not oil in general
Couldn’t agree more Tor Ivan Boine!
If it was about drilling in the Arctic then good on them. 🙂
And the life vests!
Terje L. Reiersen It is still hypocritical to protest someone for getting the substance that you use. I think what they could protest is perhaps how they acquire the oil such as unsafe extraction processes or slave labour but to simply protest against oil production is naive.
They’re saving their wooden boats for the deforestation protest.
I would never protest against the consumption of alcohol, unless I was drunk 😛
Elisabeth Schabus I am sure that former residents of Chernobyl and Fukushima would wholeheartedly agree with you how clean and good nuclear energy is for us…
But with all of the new solar energy coming online, what’s going to happen when we have a big solar leak?
Oh, wait…
George Beckingham wins this discussion. 😀
Dalija Prasnikar that’s irrelevant given a) the power problem at hand and b) the total number of reactors working smoothly. Or did you stop booking flights because of that Germanwings accident? Look at Germany. Turning off nuclear plants has lead to reopening coal plants. How is that good?
Elisabeth Schabus Point is that nuclear energy (fission) is off the table. It is not the part of the solution and never will be. I am not saying that we should shut down all nuclear plants right now, but we should stop building new ones, and should concentrate on other energy sources.
When you are trying to solve one problem (CO2) you should concentrate on solutions that do not have potential to create other serious ones.
I don’t know how far is nearest nuclear plant from the place you live, but I live 25 km from one. While I don’t expect any problems during its lifetime, if something would happen there I would be homeless along with at least 1 million people. And that is about quarter of my country’s population.
Are you willing to let us all camp in your back yard?
BTW, I don’t fly at all.